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because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both belie
because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like...
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president obama and house speaker boehner had been initially working on. this is going to be a much more scaled back version of a bill. just to sort of get over this hump. so i think that right now all parties believe that is really the main hope for getting something done, but you're absolutely right. the same sticking points remain, and that is going to be the problem moving forward over these next 24 hours. i think the pressure point comes when the markets have already started to react and, of course, if they fail to get a deal done by that all-important january 1st deadline, really everyone is going to be blamed for it. of course, the polls show that republicans will be blamed the most, but ultimately president obama will have to share some of that blame as well. so i think that right now that pressure point is one of the motivating factors in getting something done. >> kristin, stay with us. i just want to bring in joy reid from the grio and robert costa from "national review." we have just a brief moment before the president comes on here. robert, i
president obama and house speaker boehner had been initially working on. this is going to be a much more scaled back version of a bill. just to sort of get over this hump. so i think that right now all parties believe that is really the main hope for getting something done, but you're absolutely right. the same sticking points remain, and that is going to be the problem moving forward over these next 24 hours. i think the pressure point comes when the markets have already started to react and,...
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president obama spending the last few hours in hawaii relaxing before he heads back to washington to hope to get a deal and avoid the fiscal cliff. we look at what happens if the deal does not happen. spoiler alert, it will cause you money. grapevine, david gregory could be in trouble for a segment on his sunday show. we show you what happened. "special report" starts at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: is it a horrible offense to be too good look? apparently so in iowa. they ruled a dentist james night had a right to fire his dental assistant melissa nelson for being too irresistible. and a perceived threat to his marriage. nelson worked in the office for ten years said she viewed knight as father figure and was fired after his wife complained about his infatuation with her. >> after working for so many years side-by-side, i didn't have any idea that that would have crossed his mind. i think it sends a message that men can do whatever they want in the workforce. >> kimberly: not nice. but apparently the iowa supreme court
president obama spending the last few hours in hawaii relaxing before he heads back to washington to hope to get a deal and avoid the fiscal cliff. we look at what happens if the deal does not happen. spoiler alert, it will cause you money. grapevine, david gregory could be in trouble for a segment on his sunday show. we show you what happened. "special report" starts at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: is...
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the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk talk" is coming up so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. lou: you know, everybody's getting pretty excited about that fiscal cliff negotiation or impasse, however you want to3 style it. mayi want t showu, lou: everybody is getting re ofed about the fiscal clifft, negotiation. i thought i would show you what thuld happen if we change into the speaker boehner plan, the president obama plan, let's start out with the do-nothing plan because that's the plan we0 have right now. the cbo estimates fiscal year 2013 deficit will be, well,lionf $104 trillion f
the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk talk" is coming up so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run...
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what obama has been able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is even part of it. >> we have to leave it there. coming up, it's the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad kids going bad. [laughter] >> let's tell you what the finalist got from santa. and this woman said she was fired from her job for being too sexy, her boss couldn't handle it. that's ahead on "the five." ♪ with the spark miles card from capital one, thor gets great rewards for his small business! your boa! [ garth ] thor's small business earns double miles on every purchase, every day! ahh, the new fabrics. put it on my spark card. ow. [ garth ] why settle for less? the spiked heels are working. wait! [ garth ] great businesses deserve great rewards. [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? [ cheers and applause ] >> welcome back. it's been a rough couple months for republicans. they first lost the election -- i guess
what obama has been able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is even part of it. >> we have to leave it there. coming up, it's the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad kids going bad. [laughter] >> let's tell you what the finalist got from santa. and this woman said she was fired from her job for being too sexy, her boss couldn't handle it. that's ahead on "the five." ♪ with the spark miles...
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. >>> looking beyond the senate deal, president obama is warning republicans that if they want future spending cuts, they're going to have to provide more tax revenue as well. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone -- and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's going to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another think coming. >> that midday news conference didn't go over well with a lot of republicans, and they said that the president's sometimes mocking tone, as they felt it was, could hurt the fiscal cliff deal in the house. >> as i sort out my impressions of the president's remarks as to whether to be angry or to saddened. we have the president of the united states go over and have a cheerleading ridiculing of republicans exercise. >> let's bring in democratic strategist and former edwards communications director chris ka fiance and republican strategist and
. >>> looking beyond the senate deal, president obama is warning republicans that if they want future spending cuts, they're going to have to provide more tax revenue as well. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone -- and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's going to be the...
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what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad gifts are going back. tell you what the five of us got from san. the plus, this woman says she was fired from her job for from being too sexy. her boss couldn't handle it. her story ahead on "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back. rough couple of months for republicans. they first lost the presidential election. i guess you can keep the music going. why not? losing ground for negotiation on deal for fiscal cliff so no surprise they are using hope for the future. "washington post"/abc news poll says 72% of the g.o.p. is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right, so let's take a look at the 72% of republicans say they are very fearful, which is up by double digits than what they were i guess under president bush. so greg, are republicans more grounded in reason, they see the future as nail biter? >> greg: conservatives are vampire killers. liberals hate
what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad gifts are going back. tell you what the five of us got from san. the plus, this woman says she was fired from her job for from being too sexy. her boss couldn't handle it. her story ahead on "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back. rough couple of...
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if you look two years ago at the ratio obama was proposing spending cuts versus revenue. it was four to one. now it's one to one. >> you have that $1 trillion already passed. >> you do. but i think the credit the tea party gets for shifting that debate wag overblown. >> but it was deficit reduction versus short-term spending at the start of 2010. and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the conversation. >> we have to go, but -- we have to go, but i heard that after the show, sam stein will be on twiner. you can be there, too. >> we can get together. >> we have another important item, though, which is the biggest hurdle arguably to president obama's second term agenda. that's something you're probably never going to hear about, literally. people think of the filibuster as a talk athon to stop action in the senate. but nowadays it has been attacked with a constant extreme of silent filibusters. up next, the talking filibuster ahead live. >>> time for the your business preer oes weeks. amber and mark
if you look two years ago at the ratio obama was proposing spending cuts versus revenue. it was four to one. now it's one to one. >> you have that $1 trillion already passed. >> you do. but i think the credit the tea party gets for shifting that debate wag overblown. >> but it was deficit reduction versus short-term spending at the start of 2010. and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the...
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debt obama is running up over the next decade. republicans have several schools. right now they have very little leverage onra this debate over e fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically, but the idea of a debt ceiling increasef they told obama more than once if you want a trillion dollars, you will need that eight times in the next decade they will have to cut spending a trillion have to cut spending a trillion eric: i'm a republican, congressman, senator tax pledge to not raise taxes. teo if somebody approaches me and says here is a bill that says if youhi sign this we will cut taxn for 98%, how can you say no to that? my point is this. the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it this way, do they not win? >> they won the war of optics so far because everything has beene done. done inside closed walls.nd f if c-span, fox are able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning now about obama that i have no interest in cutting spending, just want tax increases. he has been lyin
debt obama is running up over the next decade. republicans have several schools. right now they have very little leverage onra this debate over e fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically, but the idea of a debt ceiling increasef they told obama more than once if you want a trillion dollars, you will need that eight times in the next decade they will have to cut spending a trillion have to cut spending a trillion eric: i'm a republican, congressman, senator tax pledge to not raise...
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president obama can't raise enough money through his tax plans to cover all the spending. that means he could resume other ways for the revenue to come in. will a carbon tax be among them? joining us now from the american action forum, sam, we know the president wants this thing. he tried desperately, even with democrats holding both houses of congress, however, he couldn't get it. will he try to pursue it in his first year of the second term? >> well, there's certainly a lot of revenue out there. a lot of projections are, if carbon is at $20 per ton of carbon, it could generate roughly a trillion dollars over the next ten years, of course, that figure of $20 would increase, but i think it's pretty tough for republicans to swallow another trillion dollars in revenue from a carbon tax, so i don't think it's very likely to get 60 votes in the senate or for speaker boehner from ohio which is a big coal producing area, which would be hit the hardest by a carbon tax, i don't think it's likely he would bring that up for a vote. david: here is another scenario though. the preside
president obama can't raise enough money through his tax plans to cover all the spending. that means he could resume other ways for the revenue to come in. will a carbon tax be among them? joining us now from the american action forum, sam, we know the president wants this thing. he tried desperately, even with democrats holding both houses of congress, however, he couldn't get it. will he try to pursue it in his first year of the second term? >> well, there's certainly a lot of revenue...
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the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk [ male announcer ] how can power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. ro price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. lou: you know, everybody's getting pretty excited about that fiscal cliff negotiation or impasse, however you want to3 style it. mayi want t showu, lou: everybody is getting re ofed about the fiscal clifft, negotiation. i thoughtht i would show you wht thuld happen if we change into thspeaker boehner plan, the president obama plan, let's start out with the do-nothing plan because that's the plan we0 hav
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president obama welcomes congressional leaders at the top of the hour. will come up with something to avoid automatic spending cuts? that go into effect in a couple days? rich edson is in washington d.c. with the latest. rich: it is a last-ditch attempt between top democrat and republican in the house and senate and the obama administration. aids describing a potential path forward, smaller compromise involving an extension of tax rates for income less than $500,000, extended unemployment benefits, measures to assure tens of millions of americans avoid the alternative minimum tax, other items, congress would figure the rest out next year under such a scenario but that is not an official proposal, a deal that aides say could have house and senate if democrat and republican leaders agreed to it. currently there is no agreement, just lawmakers assigning blame. >> millions of americans are out there struggling and certainly they deserve congress that will avoid going over the fiscal cliff. which is why the president has been working to bring the leaders toge
president obama welcomes congressional leaders at the top of the hour. will come up with something to avoid automatic spending cuts? that go into effect in a couple days? rich edson is in washington d.c. with the latest. rich: it is a last-ditch attempt between top democrat and republican in the house and senate and the obama administration. aids describing a potential path forward, smaller compromise involving an extension of tax rates for income less than $500,000, extended unemployment...
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obama has stimulus spending built in. they are not far apart. [ overtalk ] >> eric: boehner can get $1 million and below -- just dance is because -- listen, you can't blame that on democrats. republicans would not come in -- >> andrea: how dare they do that to a guest. >> disgusted. >> kimberly: welcome to the program. >> we're out of time now. >> kimberly: time for a word from our sponsors. political fall-out. people are saying, blame the democrats and republicans. the democrats are winning the messaging here. who is to blame? >> correct me if i'm wrong. conventional wisdom is when all is said and done, obama will look well. what he doesn't care about is the popularity boost in the polls. what the president cares sabt the legacy. what happens when it's said and done, if the economy tankss and blows it, that is part of the legacy. >> juan: that is exactly right. >> kimberly: invested in getting something done here. >> eric: that is what they want everyone to believe if they get something done it's better for the economy.
obama has stimulus spending built in. they are not far apart. [ overtalk ] >> eric: boehner can get $1 million and below -- just dance is because -- listen, you can't blame that on democrats. republicans would not come in -- >> andrea: how dare they do that to a guest. >> disgusted. >> kimberly: welcome to the program. >> we're out of time now. >> kimberly: time for a word from our sponsors. political fall-out. people are saying, blame the democrats and...
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the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk talk" is coming up next you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, tato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. lou: you know, everybody's getting pretty excited about that fiscal cliff negotiation or impasse, however you want to3 style it. mayi want t showu, lou: everybody is getting re ofed about the fiscal clifft, negotiation. i thought i would show you what thuld happen if we change into the speaker boehner plan, the president obama plan, let's start out with the do-nothing plan because that's the
the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk talk" is coming up next you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. your soups are so...
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>> it depends if he turns into bill clinton or remains barack obama. clinton understood his legacy, was what was important and he would be remembered as somebody who was good on the economy, as a democrat. guess what? he wasn't a typical democrat. he was forced to change. a lot of it had to do with the fact that the congress changed. we have divided government. if the president wants the same old, same old, he will get t. the republicans won't cave. it's equal branchings of government. they control two-thirds and it takes three to tango, the senate, white hussein. >> eric: terrific debate. >> heather: who is leading in the tango, that's what we don't know. congressional leaders are trying to come up with that deal, with less than two days before massive tax hikes and spending cuts kick in and small businesses are already being affected. companies have no idea how much more they are going to owe uncle sam next year. that is affecting how they are doing business right now. we have those details from the new york city newsroom. >> reporter: many small, ow
>> it depends if he turns into bill clinton or remains barack obama. clinton understood his legacy, was what was important and he would be remembered as somebody who was good on the economy, as a democrat. guess what? he wasn't a typical democrat. he was forced to change. a lot of it had to do with the fact that the congress changed. we have divided government. if the president wants the same old, same old, he will get t. the republicans won't cave. it's equal branchings of government....
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the big question is, president obama's increased spending a lot over the past four years. how will he get the revenue from that? is raising tax rates on the so-called rich enough to do it? no, it's not. it doesn't bring in enough money. one the ways he might do it is to squeeze the energy companies a little more. coming up, ceo of southern company, one of the most important guys in the universe will join us right here to say if he expects the big squeeze from the white house. >> i'm david asman with your fox business brief and here east one crisis averted anyway. unions representing dock workers and shippers reached a agreement delaying a strike that could have cripple the u.s. economy. longshoremen and maritime alliance agreed to postpone for 30 days. >>> this would mark the best year for the auto industry since 2007, but experts say the gains made in december could be overshadowed in january because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. >>> the chinese government announcing stiff new rules and requiring users to provide real names to service providers. the move place as gr
the big question is, president obama's increased spending a lot over the past four years. how will he get the revenue from that? is raising tax rates on the so-called rich enough to do it? no, it's not. it doesn't bring in enough money. one the ways he might do it is to squeeze the energy companies a little more. coming up, ceo of southern company, one of the most important guys in the universe will join us right here to say if he expects the big squeeze from the white house. >> i'm david...
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to fund more spending and it increases the debt?" boehner is getting more cut over the fight over the debt creeling that expires in two months. white house aides think it could backfire, an advisor admitted it would be ugly. telling fox we're about to enter 60 days of nastiness. i'm told the president has not spoken to speaker boehner since last friday when they had the summit of leaders here at the white house. the significance of that is that boehner made absolutely no promise to the president he is going to pass the legislation. let alone even bring it up. bret? >> bret: ed, you know, we talked a little bit about the timeline here. the new congress comes in thursday. at noon. so essentially, this senate bill has an expiration date of thursday at noon. at that point, they have to scrap the effort and start all over again. >> that's right. it's essentially the new fiscal cliff, that deadline. every piece of legislation passed by the house or the senate over the last two years completely expires with this current congress. so you've
to fund more spending and it increases the debt?" boehner is getting more cut over the fight over the debt creeling that expires in two months. white house aides think it could backfire, an advisor admitted it would be ugly. telling fox we're about to enter 60 days of nastiness. i'm told the president has not spoken to speaker boehner since last friday when they had the summit of leaders here at the white house. the significance of that is that boehner made absolutely no promise to the...
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their goal is to make president obama a failure, no matter what it does to this country. thank you. host: lots of different points of view. joshua gordon. guest: the main issue is when you look at how spending programs are growing more quickly than the economy. we need to look at how we are going to pay for that. we are not going to pay for it with a major reform. this fiscal cliff thing is a short-term issue. we are trying to recover from this financial crisis. the economy is slowly doing better but still has not come back to pre-crisis levels. do we want a fiscal policy that can do two things? repel the recovery forward and deal with the long-term budget situation? everyone agrees that is the preferable way to do it. over the short term, uses -- postponed any fiscal cliff austerity so that recovery can take hold, and over the long term, but to balance the revenue and spending of the federal budget. if we were able to do both things -- and if we had a rational policy making gains in congress, that is what we would do -- then we would enter the future with a pretty good pace for fut
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that would extend middle-class tax cut, deal with spending cuts. it's a basic plan that the president is calling for. something similar has already passed so the white house feels confident that what the president is calling for could again pass through the senate and get through the house. in order for that to happen, richard, that would involve every single democrat in the house voting for it as well as about 30 republicans. so the question is could they actually get that many republicans to vote for this pack am that the president is calling for. but politically what he is doing is essentially saying this is the plan i'm putting forth, let's get it through the senate and if it fails, it will fail through the senate house, letting republicans own that failure. putting it in a box. president obama giving the lawmakers here two options. one, to come up with their own alternative proposal. of course, that's something senate majority leader harry reid will work on. if not, he'll say put my plan to basic up or down vote. richard? >> kristen, i didn't
that would extend middle-class tax cut, deal with spending cuts. it's a basic plan that the president is calling for. something similar has already passed so the white house feels confident that what the president is calling for could again pass through the senate and get through the house. in order for that to happen, richard, that would involve every single democrat in the house voting for it as well as about 30 republicans. so the question is could they actually get that many republicans to...
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that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. i just have to repeat. you know, outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern, over and over again.
that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president...
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obama wants one thing and mr. boehner once anothesee and we will see a knockdown drag out fight any big dramatic of negotiation. what you and i and all americans are looking at is the prospect of a recession next year if thed president and mr. boehner can't come to agreement. as much as a 10% unemploymenttyn rate, because both as president and republican parties parties, as you can seema here, they aret playing at the margin in thecust national media is not focusing washit the reality is. they are just playing games. right along th the folks in washington. this president is guilty of class warfare. for hat? are you kidding me?ma. prident obama seems to love reat the drama. i thought he didn't like drama. the reality is that there will be so little impact on our fiscal future. the after all of the drama and whateeer the outcome, we remaih in great jeopardy. because this isn't a fiscals. future. this is not something that any of us want. don't you love it? a lame-duck session of congress. they areon the ones who hav
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spending built in there. these guys are not far apart. but what we have -- >> the problem -- [overlapping dialogue] >> boehner can get a million dollars -- >> no, no. that's because -- you can't blame that on the democrats [overlapping dialogue] >> how dare they do this to a guest. how dare you? >> welcome tote program. >> thank you very much. >> we are out of time now. [laughter] >> now a word from our sponsors. i want to ask you about political fallout. a lot of people are saying -- let's blame the democrats or the republicans. right now, it seems the democrats are winning the messaging game here. but who will be to blame if we go over the cliff? >> correct me if i am wrong -- especially you -- but it seems like the conventional wisdom, when wh all is said and done, obama will come out looking nice. but right now, what he doesn't care about is a popularity boost in the polls. what ultimately the president cares about, like all presidents, is the legacy. what happens after all of this is said and done, four
spending built in there. these guys are not far apart. but what we have -- >> the problem -- [overlapping dialogue] >> boehner can get a million dollars -- >> no, no. that's because -- you can't blame that on the democrats [overlapping dialogue] >> how dare they do this to a guest. how dare you? >> welcome tote program. >> thank you very much. >> we are out of time now. [laughter] >> now a word from our sponsors. i want to ask you about political...
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is more to blame for not agreeing to more spending cuts and 15% blame both sides. joining us now from new york, julie riganski, a democratic strategist and here in washington, steven moore, a member of the "wall street journal" editorial board. sesteven, let's start with you. great to hear harry reid on this. the last time i checked the do so called proposal that a he put forth in july didn't really receive any support and only dealt with tax increases. it wasn't a comprehensive deal and didn't involve real spending cuts it was just raise tax and it went no where. for him to blame republicans, come on. >> don't forget, it has been 13 hyundais since hair arery reid even passed a budget out of the united states senate. we don't even know what the united states senators stand for in terms of the budget debate. the same thing on taxes. the house actually passed a lot of people don't know that earlier this year the house passed a bill to extend all of the bush era tax cuts for another year until resolve the issue. the senate again didn't act on that. the grave yard of t
is more to blame for not agreeing to more spending cuts and 15% blame both sides. joining us now from new york, julie riganski, a democratic strategist and here in washington, steven moore, a member of the "wall street journal" editorial board. sesteven, let's start with you. great to hear harry reid on this. the last time i checked the do so called proposal that a he put forth in july didn't really receive any support and only dealt with tax increases. it wasn't a comprehensive deal...
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spending built in there. these guys are not far apart. but what we have -- >> the problem -- [overlapping dialogue] >> boehner can get a million dollars -- >> no, no. that's because -- you can't blame that on the democrats [overlapping dialogue] >> how dare they do this to a guest. how dare you? >> welcome tote program. >> thank you very much. >> we are out of time now. [laughter] >> now a word from our sponsors. i want to ask you about political fallout. a lot of people are saying -- let's blame the democrats or the republicans. right now, it seems the democrats are winning the messaging game here. but who will be to blame if we go over the cliff? >> correct me if i am wrong -- especially you -- but it seems like the conventional wisdom, when wh all is said and done, obama will come out looking nice. but right now, what he doesn't care about is a popularity boost in the polls. what ultimately the president cares about, like all presidents, is the legacy. what happens after all of this is said and done, four
spending built in there. these guys are not far apart. but what we have -- >> the problem -- [overlapping dialogue] >> boehner can get a million dollars -- >> no, no. that's because -- you can't blame that on the democrats [overlapping dialogue] >> how dare they do this to a guest. how dare you? >> welcome tote program. >> thank you very much. >> we are out of time now. [laughter] >> now a word from our sponsors. i want to ask you about political...
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president obama spending holidays in beautiful hawaii where reports now surfaced where he is looking to strike a smaller fiscal deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class but not tackling any spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live in honolulu with more. ed, for the first time, people like joe lieberman are saying i really think we'll go over the cliff. what do you hear? >> reporter: it's a real possibility, you're right. we're a week out. people on both sides have been talking this thing to death. it might need a christmas miracle at this point to avoid going off the cliff. the president scaled back plan basically would extend unemmoment benefits for two million people who will lose them a week after christmas if there is no deal. he also wants to extend tax cuts for 98% of americans. you heard him talk about that again and again. that level of $250,000 or less. the republicans have not afreed to that on the hill obviously. when you talk to folks like senator lindsey graham, they say the big issue is not taxes, it is spending cuts. take a listen. >>
president obama spending holidays in beautiful hawaii where reports now surfaced where he is looking to strike a smaller fiscal deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class but not tackling any spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live in honolulu with more. ed, for the first time, people like joe lieberman are saying i really think we'll go over the cliff. what do you hear? >> reporter: it's a real possibility, you're right. we're a week out. people on both...
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obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept these conditions. >> let me ask you this, then. interesting question. president obama gets his own deal, sends it over to the republicans, they have the same dilemma. >> well, they may. but i think you would at least see a fair dee beat. look, i think the average american realizes we have to cut spending. you know the numbers. >> craig, i have to ask you -- i have to stop you. i don't think they do. we ran a package yesterday, we sent the producer out on the street, showed people how much more they would pay in t
obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like...
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more time on the beach last week president obama did what he's routinely hinted at doing in put social security on the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations house democrats led by nancy pelosi signed off on the cuts to social security leaving progressives around the nation while a bended luckily the speaker of the house john boehner in the reactionary tea partiers in the house came to the rescue rejecting the deal since it didn't go far enough in shredding critical social insurance programs so thank you tea party but where exactly do fiscal cliff negotiations go now especially after the after the nation learned last week that any sort of tax increase at all even on millionaires can't get enough republican support in the house of representatives to pass. the tea party might have helped progressives dodge a bullet when it comes to president obama's social security cuts but it's getting clearer and clearer that they are not interested in governing and could care less about what sort of economic damage the nation may suffer from if we do go over the fiscal cliff or if a few weeks from now
more time on the beach last week president obama did what he's routinely hinted at doing in put social security on the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations house democrats led by nancy pelosi signed off on the cuts to social security leaving progressives around the nation while a bended luckily the speaker of the house john boehner in the reactionary tea partiers in the house came to the rescue rejecting the deal since it didn't go far enough in shredding critical social insurance programs so...
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on the table was $1.4 trillion in higher taxes over ten years, and $800 billion in lower spending. that's taking a lot of liquidity out of the economy. >> okay, barry, last question here. fill in the blanks for me. if we hold x, then this correction will not happen. >> if we hold, i mean, key support level certain little on the s&p 500. look for 1400, would be a key support level to hold there. we'd want to bounce back up. but what you really would be looking for, i showed on the charts, key resistance levels. what you really want to see, we have not been able to break above those resistance levels. you need to break above those resistance levels very convincingly if you're going to convince me there's going to be a rally in 2013. >> barry, thank you, joining us tonight from miami. >> thank you. >> you look what barry has to say? >> i think you should get a correction here. >> do you like the notion of the presidential cycles? >> i look more, you know, so, you're dealing right now, there are so many headlines out there and you are trying to decipher what's important, if you are foc
on the table was $1.4 trillion in higher taxes over ten years, and $800 billion in lower spending. that's taking a lot of liquidity out of the economy. >> okay, barry, last question here. fill in the blanks for me. if we hold x, then this correction will not happen. >> if we hold, i mean, key support level certain little on the s&p 500. look for 1400, would be a key support level to hold there. we'd want to bounce back up. but what you really would be looking for, i showed on...
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heather: coming up president obama facing another key test as he approaches the start of his second term. the ongoing battle now turning to america's ports, as a strike deadline fast approaches. doug mcelway live from washington. doug, the complaints of longshoreman whose strike was temporarily averted last week is kind of a symbol of what is threatening unions all across the nation, right? >> it really is heather, the longshoreman have been threatened by automation. it takes one longshoreman to do a job in the early 1960s it took three men to do. as automation has increased the longshoreman's union demanded their job security be plea served. the shipping industry worked out a deal where longshoreman would be paid a fee based on the weight of every container this a ship carries. but the industry finds it prohibitive lee expensive. >> antiquated work rules we've seen in it automotive industry, in the steel industry where efficient will see and new productive machines can come into play and people get displaced by that. it's been a difficult thing but it's one of the things that in order t
heather: coming up president obama facing another key test as he approaches the start of his second term. the ongoing battle now turning to america's ports, as a strike deadline fast approaches. doug mcelway live from washington. doug, the complaints of longshoreman whose strike was temporarily averted last week is kind of a symbol of what is threatening unions all across the nation, right? >> it really is heather, the longshoreman have been threatened by automation. it takes one...
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on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is john boehner's move to reconvene the house a face-saving political move or a genuine effort to reach a deal? text a for political. text b for genuine effort. to 622639. or go to our blog at.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is legendary congressman charlie rangel of new york. con
on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending...
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then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told oba if you want a trillion dollar in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could youay no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning nowbout how obama said i have no interesting in cutting spending, he's been lying for two mons
then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told oba if you want a trillion dollar in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican...
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and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff, you guys pass the bill, harry reid could do something he hasn't done in over three years, pass it in the senate, give it to the president, and nobody's taxes are going to go up, crisis averred and then they can spend team after the new year negotiating tax reform, entitlement reform, living within our means. why don't they just do that? >> well, they could, but they want to demonize the house. they want to pontiff indicate without actually doing anything in the way of legislating. sean, if you look back at the history, the deficit ceiling bill back a y
and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff,...
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the other effect it has is that we're not cutting spending because we're spending too much money. and that sends a very bad signal. if we're not going to do entitlement reform, because every time we talk about it obama says let's raise taxes instead. we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, in four years obama has done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing for four years. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people is what obama talks about instead of doing his job. there are two costs to this. one, if you take money out of savings and investment, which is what you're doing with this, it doesn't help, it reduces the incentives to save, invest and work and the other thing you do is you never get to reform government entitlements. >> that's not causal. >> it is, absolutely. >> that's not really. >> you live in new york i live in d.c., washington, this is all causal. the reason he's talking about tax increases is to avoid the conversation and dealing with spending restraints. that's why obama does what he
the other effect it has is that we're not cutting spending because we're spending too much money. and that sends a very bad signal. if we're not going to do entitlement reform, because every time we talk about it obama says let's raise taxes instead. we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, in four years obama has done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing for four years. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people...
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that's less than 1% of the federal spending going forward for the next ten years. have you ever seen a deal that's that close that could essentially give both sides a lot of what they want fall apart over that small amount of money? >> it's been -- it has been very confounding to a lot of us because, you know, you break it down over ten years, there's $45 billion apart year by year on taxes. they would tell you, each side would say that these are policy issues that they can't bridge the gap on in terms of how much they raise tax rates on those income above 250 or 400 of a million and that's those are really big, substantial gaps. and republicans want more on entitlement reform, particularly on medicare. this is sort of the red line that each side has drawn the. and the overall number is really close. those policies difference res still key and they can't get past them right now. >> and, chris, i'll turn to you. obviously, that number is unbelievable how small it is, the difference. but in terms of moving forward from your sourcing, does it seem to be that we're goi
that's less than 1% of the federal spending going forward for the next ten years. have you ever seen a deal that's that close that could essentially give both sides a lot of what they want fall apart over that small amount of money? >> it's been -- it has been very confounding to a lot of us because, you know, you break it down over ten years, there's $45 billion apart year by year on taxes. they would tell you, each side would say that these are policy issues that they can't bridge the...
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then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could you say no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning now about how obama said i have no interesting in cutting spending, he's been lying for tw
then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican...
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president obama today, and what i thought was interesting is using the power of the bully pulpit to put pressure on congress to get this basic deal done that he is calling for, and richard, one of the things that he said at the end of the remarks is that essentially this is not how the american people do business and just to remind you that ordinary folks meet their deadlines and sort out disagreements and the fact that the lawmakers can't do it is boggling to many of them. the president really trying to ramp up public pressure, and this is something that we have seen him do in the past, a tactic that he has taken in the past to try to get the public on his side to put the pressure on the house republicans. richard? >> kristen welker, thank you so much for all of your work at the white house. joined by the grio's joy reid and chicago tribute's clarence page. let's talk about what kristen was just talking about, because i felt that the president was getting impatient. roll the tape. >> outside of washington, nobody seems to understand why this is a repeat pattern over and offagain. ordin
president obama today, and what i thought was interesting is using the power of the bully pulpit to put pressure on congress to get this basic deal done that he is calling for, and richard, one of the things that he said at the end of the remarks is that essentially this is not how the american people do business and just to remind you that ordinary folks meet their deadlines and sort out disagreements and the fact that the lawmakers can't do it is boggling to many of them. the president really...
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the deadline for across the board tax increases and deep spending cuts is just four days away. president obama is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders at the white house this afternoon. senate majority leader harry reid says the likelihood of reaching a deal is a long shot. but senator charles schumer told the "today" show that the odds are better than people think. if a deal were to pass, senate house speaker john boehner would have to agree to take it to the floor of the republican controlled house. danielle nottingham has more. >> reporter: president obama is meeting today at the white house with top congressional democrats harry reid and nancy pelosi and leading republicans mitch mcconnell and john boehner. it's the president's first meeting with congressional leaders since november 16th. the closed door discussions are an attempt to reach a last- minute agreement to avoid automatic spending cuts and tax increases due to kick in on january 1st. >> probably the worst case scenario will come out of this maybe today and -- meeting today and that is we will kick the can
the deadline for across the board tax increases and deep spending cuts is just four days away. president obama is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders at the white house this afternoon. senate majority leader harry reid says the likelihood of reaching a deal is a long shot. but senator charles schumer told the "today" show that the odds are better than people think. if a deal were to pass, senate house speaker john boehner would have to agree to take it to the floor of the...
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president obama spending the christmas holidays in hawaii, but it's not all fun in the sun. still looming as i've just talked about is this large fiscal cliff as the deadline gets closer, and now there are reports surfacing that the president is looking to strike a partial deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class while holding off on spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry has the luxury of reporting live in honolulu, hawaii. ed it seems for the first time we might really go off the fiscal cliff which is something that you or so many of us in washington never believed would happen. >> reporter: you're right, kelly. i mean for the longest time there was an expectation in both parties there would be a lot of fighting but right up against the christmas holiday they would finally somehow work this out. that is traditionally what happens on capitol hill. this time as you say leaders in both parties now bracing for the real possibility that we will go off that fiscal cliff, and that tax increases will go across the board for everybody, basically, go bac
president obama spending the christmas holidays in hawaii, but it's not all fun in the sun. still looming as i've just talked about is this large fiscal cliff as the deadline gets closer, and now there are reports surfacing that the president is looking to strike a partial deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class while holding off on spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry has the luxury of reporting live in honolulu, hawaii. ed it seems for the first time we might...
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no obama comes in and wants to spend more and raise taxes. republicans are saying no. we would have a problem if obama hadn't increased the budget by a trillion dollars more a year. gerri: let's face it, whether you're talking about stimulus spending, obamacare, that's3 going to go through the roof, the things that you're going to pay for all this with higher taxes is lunacy, to say the least. on that note, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for coming, grover. we hope to see you in the new year. christmas sales were weaker than expected. so now retailers have to give shoppers deeper discounts. in a new proposal to help stggli homeowners. don't worry, the government will take care of you. we will explain coming up next gerri: retailers are experiencing their worst holiday performance since the 2008 financial crisis. but is it too late to count retailers out? could post holiday discounts have retailers and shoppers spurting? let's ask founder america's research group, president and chief economist. whathappened with retail sales? we were expecting a 3% gai
no obama comes in and wants to spend more and raise taxes. republicans are saying no. we would have a problem if obama hadn't increased the budget by a trillion dollars more a year. gerri: let's face it, whether you're talking about stimulus spending, obamacare, that's3 going to go through the roof, the things that you're going to pay for all this with higher taxes is lunacy, to say the least. on that note, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for coming, grover. we hope to see you...